The epidemic of Immaturity or what Pride can look like

The Good: Joshua spent a lot more time in God’s presence than Moses did, yet Joshua honored Moses. He easily could’ve thought, Moses’ time is up. He’s a bad leader, I hear the voice of the Lord so much clearer than He does. What is Moses thinking allowing that guy to do that, etc. Again, Joshua chose to honor Moses and the fact that he would one day stand on Moses’ shoulders. Does that bring conviction? Have you ever been angry at your Pastor or Elders for making what you thought was a dumb decision? Thinking thoughts such as: “Are they even praying about this?” The Bad: Paul warns of this immaturity in the last chapter of 1 Corinthians. It’s such a quick note that until yesterday I had always passed it by. He says:

“Be on guard. Stand firm in the faith. Be courageous. Be strong. Do everything with love. You know that Stephanas and his household were the first of the harvest of believers in Greece and they are spending their lives in service to God’s people. I urge you to submit to them and others like them who serve with such devotion… You must show your appreciation to all who serve so well.”
My take on what Paul is saying is: “Yes, you might have deeper revelation or closer intimacy. Don’t forget, your generation is standing on the shoulders of those who’ve gone before you. Make sure your heart is humble and you know your position before God and men. Show your appreciation to those who’ve gone before you. Serve them. Honor them. Learn everything you can from them.” When was the last time you asked an elder, deacon, your pastor or any other man or woman older than you to go to coffee? When have you sat with them and asked them to speak into your life? Immaturity is one of many schemes the enemy uses to hold us back from fullness, break it off of you and run the race that is set before you!]]>

31 Comments

  1. I think a lot of us struggle with this because we are young and put in a position of authority. We forget to get permission to lead from those we are leading. We think they should listen to us simply because of the title attached to our names.
    • "title" or "status" is too commonly judged by this world... and that is where the breakdown begins... who are we to judge someone else... even as an executive leader, there needs to be wisdom gained from those that surround you. Without accepting what they are telling you as wisdom, you do not grow (spiritually, corporate or otherwise) and that is the alkalies heal. Growth without wisdom gained from those that you 'should' be honoring is null.
  2. I think a lot of us struggle with this because we are young and put in a position of authority. We forget to get permission to lead from those we are leading. We think they should listen to us simply because of the title attached to our names.
  3. I think a lot of us struggle with this because we are young and put in a position of authority. We forget to get permission to lead from those we are leading. We think they should listen to us simply because of the title attached to our names.
    • "title" or "status" is too commonly judged by this world... and that is where the breakdown begins... who are we to judge someone else... even as an executive leader, there needs to be wisdom gained from those that surround you. Without accepting what they are telling you as wisdom, you do not grow (spiritually, corporate or otherwise) and that is the alkalies heal. Growth without wisdom gained from those that you 'should' be honoring is null.
  4. Hi Josh: Immaturity. That word for ME has a negative connotation. I choose to see it more as not fully awakened. My growth over the past seven or eight years has been tremendous. I count Law of Attraction (LoA) as deepening my spirituality. I've always carried a huge amount of faith with me, but learning about LoA, only increased my Faith. In its most basic form, Law of Attraction states: --That our thoughts create our reality. --We can have the world that we want simply by shifting our thought process. --We only have to ask for what we want (Ask and ye shall receive) --And be grateful when we receive it. Hmmmm. What do the last two sound like? To me it sounds like God granting us our desires and thanking him. I believe everything comes down to choice. We can choose to see life as negative, as everyone is against us, as challenging. OR: We can choose Joshua's way and look for the positive, look at life as a way of moving forward by honoring someone who we could by all rights be angry at. Who does that anger hurt though? It only hurts us. That's one lesson I finally learned after many many years. We are always moving forward, Josh. In two years we will look back at this time and marvel at the growth we've made. Life is about moving forward. -- Chris
    • Chris, I've never heard of LoA before. Tell me, how does humility (recognizing God's position as high and your position as low) fit into LoA? The reason I ask is because I had a check in my spirit when I read the basic form that you listed; it seems very "me" oriented.
  5. Hi Josh: Immaturity. That word for ME has a negative connotation. I choose to see it more as not fully awakened. My growth over the past seven or eight years has been tremendous. I count Law of Attraction (LoA) as deepening my spirituality. I've always carried a huge amount of faith with me, but learning about LoA, only increased my Faith. In its most basic form, Law of Attraction states: --That our thoughts create our reality. --We can have the world that we want simply by shifting our thought process. --We only have to ask for what we want (Ask and ye shall receive) --And be grateful when we receive it. Hmmmm. What do the last two sound like? To me it sounds like God granting us our desires and thanking him. I believe everything comes down to choice. We can choose to see life as negative, as everyone is against us, as challenging. OR: We can choose Joshua's way and look for the positive, look at life as a way of moving forward by honoring someone who we could by all rights be angry at. Who does that anger hurt though? It only hurts us. That's one lesson I finally learned after many many years. We are always moving forward, Josh. In two years we will look back at this time and marvel at the growth we've made. Life is about moving forward. -- Chris
    • Chris, I've never heard of LoA before. Tell me, how does humility (recognizing God's position as high and your position as low) fit into LoA? The reason I ask is because I had a check in my spirit when I read the basic form that you listed; it seems very "me" oriented.
  6. Josh - an awakening article for all to enjoy. Thanks for this post. I find it troubling to see those that 'think' they know it all, when in reality, it is clear that they do not. Whether that be from age, education, devotion and the likes, immaturity rings through from those still thinking they have any authority at all. Once those same persons realize that all authority be to GOD, and simply let it go in HIS hands, they will begin to grow. The story of Joshua and Moses is hit on the head in the corporate world.. GOD sent Joshua to Moses (CEO), Moses took him in (VP), and Joshua respected his place within the organization. Moses understood that Joshua was better than HE (hire your replacement), and began to train for the day. What is not realized in today's world, is that common stories within the Bible are reflected within our lives everyday. Imagine the wisdom gained from reading deeper into the correlations from our lives and the Bible...how much can be gained to grow out of immaturity. Ray
  7. Josh - an awakening article for all to enjoy. Thanks for this post. I find it troubling to see those that 'think' they know it all, when in reality, it is clear that they do not. Whether that be from age, education, devotion and the likes, immaturity rings through from those still thinking they have any authority at all. Once those same persons realize that all authority be to GOD, and simply let it go in HIS hands, they will begin to grow. The story of Joshua and Moses is hit on the head in the corporate world.. GOD sent Joshua to Moses (CEO), Moses took him in (VP), and Joshua respected his place within the organization. Moses understood that Joshua was better than HE (hire your replacement), and began to train for the day. What is not realized in today's world, is that common stories within the Bible are reflected within our lives everyday. Imagine the wisdom gained from reading deeper into the correlations from our lives and the Bible...how much can be gained to grow out of immaturity. Ray
  8. Josh - an awakening article for all to enjoy. Thanks for this post. I find it troubling to see those that 'think' they know it all, when in reality, it is clear that they do not. Whether that be from age, education, devotion and the likes, immaturity rings through from those still thinking they have any authority at all. Once those same persons realize that all authority be to GOD, and simply let it go in HIS hands, they will begin to grow. The story of Joshua and Moses is hit on the head in the corporate world.. GOD sent Joshua to Moses (CEO), Moses took him in (VP), and Joshua respected his place within the organization. Moses understood that Joshua was better than HE (hire your replacement), and began to train for the day. What is not realized in today's world, is that common stories within the Bible are reflected within our lives everyday. Imagine the wisdom gained from reading deeper into the correlations from our lives and the Bible...how much can be gained to grow out of immaturity. Ray
  9. Thanks for the responses everyone. Please though, let me know this, are you sitting with older men who have gone before you? Are you honoring them? Asking them to speak into your lives? That was the main point of this post.
    • Definitely! I'm thankful for the men and women in my life who disciple me and beat the immaturity out of me--which you made me realize that immaturity and pride are synonymous. Love it! Love your heart!
  10. Thanks for the responses everyone. Please though, let me know this, are you sitting with older men who have gone before you? Are you honoring them? Asking them to speak into your lives? That was the main point of this post.
    • Definitely! I'm thankful for the men and women in my life who disciple me and beat the immaturity out of me--which you made me realize that immaturity and pride are synonymous. Love it! Love your heart!
  11. You've touched on a very important topic that rarely gets addressed in the Church. True spiritual maturity should express itself as respect for others, namely those in authority and those who have gone before. God is less interested in our results than He is our attitude.
  12. You've touched on a very important topic that rarely gets addressed in the Church. True spiritual maturity should express itself as respect for others, namely those in authority and those who have gone before. God is less interested in our results than He is our attitude.
  13. I have enjoyed the times that I have been able to sit down with guys older than myself and learn from them. It has always been a time of getting great nuggets of wisdom that I can easily apply and also times where I have to wrestle with things to accept what they are saying. Those who have gone before us can sometimes prevent us making some dumb mistakes and that's a great things.
  14. I have enjoyed the times that I have been able to sit down with guys older than myself and learn from them. It has always been a time of getting great nuggets of wisdom that I can easily apply and also times where I have to wrestle with things to accept what they are saying. Those who have gone before us can sometimes prevent us making some dumb mistakes and that's a great things.
  15. Great article! Pursuing those older/wiser people for wisdom, advice and general help is Biblical and wise to begin with. In your mind, is it more ideal for the younger person to need to ask, or is it better for those who are older/wiser to make connections down the chain? In an ideal world, who holds the responsibility for passing on wisdom?
    • Great question. I think it can be both responsibility BUT, I would major on the Older person to ask. Please note though, that this article is written to leaders in their 20's and it's more of a challenge to "man up" a bit and go out and ask. So I don't want people using the: "Well nobody older is asking me out to coffee." Honestly, discipleship in general has kind of been lost so most people in their 40's to 50's really don't know how to go and grab the younger 20's and 30's because that skill set has been lost (speaking generally here). Those that do know how to disciple or simply love on the younger generation make a HUGE impact.
  16. Great article! Pursuing those older/wiser people for wisdom, advice and general help is Biblical and wise to begin with. In your mind, is it more ideal for the younger person to need to ask, or is it better for those who are older/wiser to make connections down the chain? In an ideal world, who holds the responsibility for passing on wisdom?
    • Great question. I think it can be both responsibility BUT, I would major on the Older person to ask. Please note though, that this article is written to leaders in their 20's and it's more of a challenge to "man up" a bit and go out and ask. So I don't want people using the: "Well nobody older is asking me out to coffee." Honestly, discipleship in general has kind of been lost so most people in their 40's to 50's really don't know how to go and grab the younger 20's and 30's because that skill set has been lost (speaking generally here). Those that do know how to disciple or simply love on the younger generation make a HUGE impact.
  17. love this post. I agree that we need godly men and women speaking into our lives who will help shape us as leaders. I think the problem with ministry is that arrive(or at least think we arrive) all the time. We become status quo, and spiritually die. I have guys that are investing into me. I will always need that. If I ever stop needing discipleship, I think I will be done in ministry. I love asking the question: What would you do in this situation?
  18. love this post. I agree that we need godly men and women speaking into our lives who will help shape us as leaders. I think the problem with ministry is that arrive(or at least think we arrive) all the time. We become status quo, and spiritually die. I have guys that are investing into me. I will always need that. If I ever stop needing discipleship, I think I will be done in ministry. I love asking the question: What would you do in this situation?
  19. love this post. I agree that we need godly men and women speaking into our lives who will help shape us as leaders. I think the problem with ministry is that arrive(or at least think we arrive) all the time. We become status quo, and spiritually die. I have guys that are investing into me. I will always need that. If I ever stop needing discipleship, I think I will be done in ministry. I love asking the question: What would you do in this situation?

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